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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by Skalor on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 2:54pm

Was just reading the Blink182-Online thread about this. Was good to see lots of positive comments aimed at both Oliver+Aria and Me+Charissa, atleast giving kudos no matter how much they disagreed.

I thought this was a good point on their thread.

I think it has actually got to the point where the other guys in the band are close enough to Tom to call him out on his bullshit. (David is his oldest friend).

And she has a point about Matt Wachter. He is more instrumentally-gifted than anyone in either band (Travis drumming aside) - and that is one of the reasons I can't wait to hear a new AVA record with him working from the start.

Tom even said he would give Matt a lot of freedom in the songwriting/production.


Can't believe Aria you had to hold yourself back from saying this, shows how bitter your still feeling.

Aria wrote:Man guys, the people on the ava movement forums really dislike the things I said, haha!
I'm close minded, too harsh, and wrong. The funny thing about that is, I had to bite my tongue
from being completely "FUCK ANGELS AND AIRWAVES". They would have loathed me.


-------- This is the post I made on the Blink-182 Online Boards. ------

Hey guys. Thanks for the kudos.

Just wanted to say a few things.

Chris, what do you mean 'change our minds'? What actually do you want us to see? Why we should like Blink? Most AVA fans enjoy Blink, they just prefer AVA. The aim of the podcast wasn't to make fans prefer the other band, it was just to see other points of view. All me and Charissa wanted, was to explain reasons why AVA is important to some people, that it doesn't deserve all the name calling it gets. Everyone knows what makes Blink popular, and why you guys love them so much, nothing will change that.

I think some of you have been a bit harsh on Charissa. Yeah shes a big fan who was affected by the music at a hard point in her life, we can all agree music has improved our lives. Shes older then most of us and isn't simple teen just blindly in love with Tom, like plenty of Blink and AVA fans are. Im not referring to people on this forum, or our forum, i've seen most of these on Myspace/Modlife tbh.

'Thisisdelonge' you have a brilliant point about Matt.

The problem is that most of these AVA fans don't know Tom like us old school Blink fans


This could be debated forever. We can all watch Blinks documented videos on the internet, all the AVA Modcams and Videos arn't freely available on the internet. Personally I think the majority of the Blink fans haven't seen how Tom has been much, since the break-up, so are only saying "We know who Tom really is" based on how Tom was atleast 6 years ago. However AVA fans who did follow Tom from Blink, or even if they're new, can go see 'Old Tom' all over the internet. We're not blind to the fact he wanted to fuck a dog in the ass. It's pretty evident he's still a humorous guy, just this time the music isn't centred on it at all.

I hate how it's becoming a thing where people think it's uncool to show your emotional side, it's cheesy, 'thats so ethan' etc. That is just a general thing i've come across. (Edit: I can't believe you banned the 3 letter word for homosexual lol!)

As a final point, I am excited about Blinks new record and im sure i'll love it no matter how much of an AVA influence it has. I do think everyone should be prepared for some AVA influences.

Thanks again for asking us to do the podcast. :-)

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by GodisAnAstronaut on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 3:29pm

The guys on the blink site are arrogant assholes.

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by seanamin on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 3:56pm

Skalor wrote:However AVA fans who did follow Tom from Blink, or even if they're new, can go see 'Old Tom' all over the internet. We're not blind to the fact he wanted to fuck a dog in the ass.


:lol:

Another point that was raised in the discussion that I wanted to talk about was the fact that there is a subscription for Modlife (well the premium content anyway). I'm a huge AVA fan, I have no problem with this whatsoever and I don't and never have had a Modlife subscription. Tom's obviously an entrepreneur, he had an idea to add value to the artist/fan relationship through a more regular direct form of communication. People can choose to subscribe or not and then after getting a taste of the service can choose to renew or not. This is just free market ideals. I think it's a development as a revenue source for bands.

Why shouldn't Modlife charge? You're getting a service in return for your money, just like you get goods in return for your money when you buy AVA shirts, tickets, CDs etc.

From what I've seen it's not an exorbitant amount of money. Moreover, when looking at the risk and capital investment that was made he should be trying to recoup this - provided people see value in it.
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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by Demarchelier on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 4:09pm

heh, I guess the hope of the blink and ava fans uniting is still a long way off :lol:
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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by GodisAnAstronaut on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 5:33pm

Yea haha. Funny thing is, I used to be a blink fan before they broke up. Then I realized how the blink fans were during the construction and process of AVA during the blink "hiatus" I realized im not an asshole like most of them. Im a true fan of AVA now and a just a little bit of a blink fan..mostly blink songs with tom not marks monotone voice. :lol:

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by Joe-Davies on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 6:45pm

I swear that in every thread there is always a really corny comment by an AvA fan lol

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by mattattack on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 7:05pm

honestly, i think AVA will eventually be the side project. once the blink album drops i think its going to convert a lot of AVA fans to blink fans because i think the album is going to be fucking awesome. i could be wrong, but thats my prediction.
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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by Skalor on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 7:41pm

mattattack wrote:honestly, i think AVA will eventually be the side project. once the blink album drops i think its going to convert a lot of AVA fans to blink fans because i think the album is going to be fucking awesome. i could be wrong, but thats my prediction.


There is a chance of that, however, if the new Blink album attracts AVA fans, I think it will push away some Blink fans, because to appeal to AVA fans more then any previous blink album, its gonna have to change, and im not sure if Blink fans want that. What do you think?

Also, AVA fans want AVA to stay for Atom, David and Matt. Which is one reason while they'll never let go.

Joe-Davies wrote:I swear that in every thread there is always a really corny comment by an AvA fan lol


Example? :P

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by seanamin on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 7:43pm

mattattack wrote:honestly, i think AVA will eventually be the side project. once the blink album drops i think its going to convert a lot of AVA fans to blink fans because i think the album is going to be fucking awesome. i could be wrong, but thats my prediction.


What do you think would happen if the Blink album is released and it is panned by critics and fans and sells bugger all?

I think there is a low chance of it selling poorly, but I think there is a reasonable chance of fans and critics not liking it.

In this scenario I couldn't see the Blink guys having the appetite for another crack and will probably head off and do what they have been doing for the past 4 years.
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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by Charissa on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 7:49pm

Skalor wrote:-------- This is the post I made on the Blink-182 Online Boards. ------

I think some of you have been a bit harsh on Charissa. Yeah shes a big fan who was affected by the music at a hard point in her life, we can all agree music has improved our lives. Shes older then most of us and isn't simple teen just blindly in love with Tom, like plenty of Blink and AVA fans are. Im not referring to people on this forum, or our forum, i've seen most of these on Myspace/Modlife tbh.


Oh no. I'm really glad I didn't go over to check it out for myself. :roll: The fact that you had to say that...definitely I should NOT go over. :shock: What on earth did I say? I really thought the whole thing was quite civilized comparatively speaking. :?

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by Skalor on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 8:39pm

I would say there was only 5 posts which really mentioned you.

Some mentioned that your brainwashed, that they disagree with you or couldn't stand what you were saying. One guy said you were a stalker, couldn't tell if he was joking or not. However many also said that you had valid points and they seemed happy to hear them.

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I hope someone replies to my post for selftitled. I spent a lot of time on that, I thought I had some good points, does anyone agree/disagree with anything I said?

Charissa, you think it might be worth having the first 'The AVA Movement podcast' clear up some points, or is it not worth it?

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by ChrisParlamas on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 9:38pm

Randy89 wrote:I'm sry but dont refer to Charissa as the "female". Even if you didnt have bad intentions it makes u come off as a sexist male pig. Girl woulda been a much better word choice, or having the balls to say her name and politely disagreeing. I didnt want this debate to become immature but i think the person from Blink-182 online crossed a line and as a friend of Chariissa's it rubbed me wrong.

I dont mean to be crass, but that was just disrespectful. Another thing In an AVA concert in 2007 i was at tom said blinks message was that they had no message...

Another thing i would like to comment on is how the blink 182 guys said that they couldnt understand the metaphors of AVA and the lyrics.... and im like honestly? its not that hard guys. for instance"when the bombs come down we will make it alive, but only if you wanna believe" ok metaphor there, simply meaning that you can make it through lifes trials and tribulations if you believe you can. Also the war is obviously about toms battle with drug use and his detox out of it. "why wont you tell me that its almost over.....why must this tear my head inside out?" The gift also, good day, start the machine, LLR, SC, i mean on and on, if you take the time to listen youll understand the song meaning.

As an AVA fan who doesnt equally like but really likes Blink 182, i just get really upset by the unwillingness and closed mindedness of hardcore blink fans. Idk i think a big difference between AVA fans and Blink fans is that modlife has let us get to know tom thru modcams and meet n greets and the blink fans never got that chance. And again I dont think they can say that Tom couldnt change that much, bc he said in STM he had been sitting on those ideas for years.... idk i just didnt think that oliver and aria really were open to AVA, they were callous about blinks break up and held that over tom.


Hey Randy, you finally made it to the forum.

Great points by the way, we think very alike.

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by Charissa on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 10:47pm

Skalor wrote:I would say there was only 5 posts which really mentioned you.

Some mentioned that your brainwashed, that they disagree with you or couldn't stand what you were saying. One guy said you were a stalker, couldn't tell if he was joking or not. However many also said that you had valid points and they seemed happy to hear them.

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I hope someone replies to my post for selftitled. I spent a lot of time on that, I thought I had some good points, does anyone agree/disagree with anything I said?

Charissa, you think it might be worth having the first 'The AVA Movement podcast' clear up some points, or is it not worth it?


Oh well, obviously I'm brainwashed. Duh! You guys all know that, right?!
Stalker...huh...I've heard fan girl and groupie but hadn't heard that one.
I want you all to know, that I'm not a stalker, but you might want to pick up some milk, because you're pretty low. :P

I didn't get much response to my post back to him either, and I spent way too much time on it. ha ha
I liked what you had to say though. As we established from the first few sentences that we each spoke...it really boils down to opinion. We like what we like. :D

I think we definitely should do a podcast, but I'm not convinced any points need to be clarified. We could just do one for the fun of it! I think we made our points very well, as did Oliver and Aria. Rarely does a debate actually change anyone's mind who has already made it up, but it definitely can add new food for thought. That's the point really, isn't it?

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by Valkyriemissle9 on Thu Feb 26, 2009, 11:29pm

Charissa wrote:I want you all to know, that I'm not a stalker, but you might want to pick up some milk, because you're pretty low. :P

OMG you are stalking me. :O how dare you look into my...
wait I have milk...

Nvm :]

I honestly will have to agree. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
It may not have been true but I'll be damned if it'll be hard to make them agree with your story for that matter.

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by mattattack on Fri Feb 27, 2009, 12:01am

i dont see the reason for any of this debate. we all have different opinions on blink, AVA, favorite sex positions, favorite food, hiking, how to dress, etc... point being, none of this bullshit matters. mark, tom, travis, david, matt, and atom are gonna do whatever they want. so fuck it, go with the flow and quit whining and argueing.
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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by ChrisParlamas on Fri Feb 27, 2009, 12:52am

mattattack wrote:i dont see the reason for any of this debate. we all have different opinions on blink, AVA, favorite sex positions, favorite food, hiking, how to dress, etc... point being, none of this bullshit matters. mark, tom, travis, david, matt, and atom are gonna do whatever they want. so fuck it, go with the flow and quit whining and argueing.


I saw very little "whining," but there was arguing. I saw nothing too bad here, but from what I know the people (some) from blink-182 online aren't very nice people.

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by 44racerangels182 on Fri Feb 27, 2009, 1:26am

AVA's Message is a joke.
Jesus your not gonna change the world with Yoahahaoaaos.
+44 was way better.
blink-182 better not sound like ava i swear to god.
Btw this whole debate is a joke. The blink members are just talking about
how he changed which proves so many points. Then the ava points are like they changed the world and they gave me hope and blah blah blah. War anthems from AVA suck. :lol:

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by 44racerangels182 on Fri Feb 27, 2009, 1:31am

selftitled wrote:Hi, I'm from blink-182online, I just wanted to post here, as a long time blink fan and a follower of what Mark, Tom, and Travis have done throughout their careers. I listened to the podcast, and while the female on your side was very vocal, she had many misunderstandings on past events, evident by the fact that she wasn't a blink fan prior to ava.

She mentions that the line in Obvious, "How Do We Fix This, If We Never Had Vision?" was supposedly an allusion to fights or whatever between the boys at that time. 2 things would make this point very null and void, first and foremost is the fact that in the insert for the self titled album, Mark, Tom, and Travis leave comments throughout the booklet about each song, for Obvious, Tom says something along the lines of, "This song is about a bad break up, and thats all." If that weren't enough to sway that thought, lets take into account that, prior to recording that album, Tom had done the Box Car Racer album, if Tom didn't want to continue with Blink back then, if they were fighting too much or whatever, then logic would lead one to believe that he would have just stuck with Box Car Racer, and never returned to Blink.

Second, I really question, what this girl knows about the breakup of Blink, has she read the tell-all Mark interview from August 2006, here is an archive link http://web.archive.org/web/200609012219 ... kmark1.php

Mark states about the break-up:

The whole thing started a few months before the last European tour. We had been talking about and planning a final North American tour on the self-titled album in the spring. Our manager had encouraged it, and pushed us to do it, saying it was a great idea, that it would support the fourth single (Always). We had all agreed. Everyone wanted to tour. The touring we were doing was the most fun I think I have ever had on the road. The shows were awesome, we loved the songs we were playing, the reaction was amazing. The plan was for blink to finish the European tour, have January and February off, then tour in March and April or something like that. We have a fairly large crew (sound guys, guitar techs, tour manager, production crew, lighting crew, etc) that were put on retainer and told they would be working on blink tours at LEAST until the late spring, and possibly beyond. Everyone agreed on it all, and the tour was put together.

Later on, Tom started saying he DIDN'T want to tour, that he was burned out and wanted to stay home. He wanted to cancel the tour. Immediately our manager changed his mind as well. I was at an airport in Singapore, on my way to Nepal, and he called to tell me that he now thought we shouldn't tour. This is a good indication of the relationship between our old manager and blink-182 at that time. By that point, he was basically managing tom. Tom changed his mind on touring, and then our manager changed his too. Strange, right? Angry, I got on the plane and flew to Nepal and Bhutan, later meeting Travis and tom in London to begin the tour.

At the first show, our old manager flew out and sat us all down in the dressing room before the show. He needed to have a meeting about the spring tour. He and tom sat on one side of the room and Travis and I sat at the other. Our old manager did all the talking. He announced that tom was done touring. He needed a break. He was "over playing music" and wanted to be with his family. The spring tour was going to be canceled. Travis and I were in shock. After the tour we were on, there were two months off. Wasn’t two months off enough time to go home and relax with your family? Who in the world gets two months off from their job to hang out at home? But it wasn't enough. He needed more time. Much more time. Travis and I said "okay, if you don't want to tour, how about let's stay home and start the next record?" We had a lot of ideas and were ready to start laying them down. And tom could be with his family. He didn't want to do that either. He was burned out and just wanted to stop. We asked him how long he needed, and he said he didn't know. The conversation got heated and lasted for two or three hours. It went around in circles, and the end result was the canceled tour, with no idea when we would be doing anything with blink-182 again. Travis and I told tom and our manager that we weren't willing to sit on our hands for six months, that we still wanted to write and play music. They understood and agreed. A couple of days later, tom told us that he needed six or more months off. Our entire touring crew was told that the six months of work they had been promised was canceled, effective as of the end of the European tour ten days later. That was a couple of weeks before Christmas. The mood on the rest of the tour was sour. Everyone was bummed. Everyone was fired. The whole thing had come to a grinding halt for one person. But the shows were fucking great!

Travis and I were super bummed and angry at the position we were being put in. We understood that tom wanted to be with his family. We all did. We all love our families and want to be with them. At the same time, this is our job. We are so lucky to get to do what we do the way we do. We love our work and want to be out there doing it, and it was being taken away from us. We had no say in it. blink-182 has been a democracy since day one, and toward the end there it wasn't. it was all about one person. it felt ugly. it really did. so we went home and started our six month break.

After Christmas the tsunami hit, and soon after that I called our old manager about the possibility of doing some kind of benefit show. I felt we needed to do something. I knew we were in Tom’s “time off” period, so I said I would do an acoustic set, or Travis and I could try and find a replacement guitarist for one show. I know there are allegations out there that I was booking blink-182 to shows without talking to anyone. This is absolutely not true. I called our old manager, and offered to do it without Tom, but Tom wanted to help the tsunami relief cause, so our old manager booked us to play on the benefit show at the Pond. It had been a long time since we had played, so we set up a few rehearsals the week before the benefit.

At one of the rehearsals, we started talking arguing about our forced break, the greatest hits record, and the possibility of recording the next album. Tom said on the next blink-182 album, he would ONLY record at his house in San Diego. He would not come to Los Angeles. He wouldn’t travel anywhere for the recording. He wanted me and Travis to record our parts up in Los Angeles as we wanted to, then send him the pro tools files down to San Diego for him to work on there. Mind you, on the last blink record, Travis drove down every day from Los Angeles to the studio in San Diego to record his parts. But Tom wasn’t leaving his house. This was the point our band was at.

Tom was deciding when we would tour, how we would tour, when we would have time off, when we would record, and how we could record. One person was dictating everything. We told Tom this. Things got hot. We told him if we were going to record the album separately, in different studios, our band was ceasing to be a BAND. The magic in the studio is created when the three of us are there TOGETHER, working on parts, discussing, sometimes arguing, all pushing the album forward. Trying to frankenstein a cd together by mailing each other pro tools files to work on in our own private studios was ridiculous. It would lessen the entire album. It would be a terrible cd. We asked Tom if he was ready for the consequences of what that meant? Would we really sacrifice the quality of our music for the convenience of his insistence that he record only at his house in San Diego? We said, "You are trying to control everything, and it's wrong." He said he couldn't be a part of anything he couldn't control, and he left the rehearsal space.

The next day our manager called and informed us that, "as of today, Tom DeLonge is no longer a member of blink-182." He said not to try and call Tom, that he had already changed his number and didn't want to talk to us. And that is how it ended. After 13 years of being in a band together, hundreds of thousand of miles toured, countless shows played, and seven albums released, Tom didn’t even call to quit the band. He had his manager do it for him.


read that and take from it what you will, but its really hard to not get the impression that Tom wanted control, and I don't know how the girl in the podcast otherwise. On that same note, she stated that every member of AVA brings something to the table, and it wouldn't be AVA without each member, if true, then why was Ryan so expendable?

Another thing the girl said was that Blink fans didn't give AVA a chance. Not true. Keep in mind that when AVA was first announced, Mark had not given the tell all interview, and so we all thought that Blink really was on just a break or something, although the 2 bands (+44 and AVA) existing at the same time was indeed a red flag that many of us were very speculative of at the time, yet had no reason yet to think they just needed to each do their own thing and nothing more. So when The Adventure leaked, we all were amazed. Seriously, you should have seen the blink-182online boards. People were glad that if Blink couldn't exist, at least music of this quality could exist. Unfortunately in many of our eyes, The Adventure was not only a great AVA song, but perhaps the greatest AVA song, and by a longshot. Hope started die quickly when Good Day leaked next. I'll admit it, I didn't like the song in the slightest, it was a nice mellow neat tune, nothing special, but the lyrics killed it. At the time, I didn't want to say it, I wrestled with the thoughts, but it slowly seeped in, I don't like this song... this is probably just a B-side. Everyone was saying that on the boards, its probably just a b-side, sadly that was not the case. This was when people started to have doubts about AVA, it was not right away, it was after hearing 2 songs. And I remember when WDNTW leaked, I downloaded it, and tried to like it, I really tried, but the sad fact settled in, that it was missing some things, not just one thing but many things. Tom had a great message, but IMHO failed to deliver it in a way that was pleasing to my ears (for the most part, don't get me wrong AVA has a few great tracks, like the Adventure and Heaven). And while I listen to WDNTW and I-empire from time to time, they just both pale in comparison to self titled Blink, same with (to a lesser extent) When Your Heart Stops Beating. If ever there was an album that spoke to me and moved me, it was self titled Blink, that is to this day my favorite album, every week since its been released (over 5 years ago), I can honestly say I listen to it at least 4 or 5 times. And perhaps that can give you a bit of an understanding as to why Blink reuniting is so important to me, to us over at the blink-182online boards, I'm not the only one like this, so many of us are hoping for another self titled album, if they can somehow manage that or even somehow more amazing, I think I would explode from the shear awesomeness.

However, I do want to point out that I think one thing she said was actually pretty offensive. She called the circumstances of Blink getting back together a glitch, yeah, ok tell that to the 4 people that died in order to get them all talking again. If you ask me, that sounds like God is righting a wrong (in his own mysterious way), the only glitch having been Tom quitting Blink-182. Its nasty to say, but had blink been together, Travis may not have been on that plane, and 4 people might not have died, some "glitch".


There just getting mad cause AVA is just gonna come second. Blink is finally back and there getting mad. I dont understand how she talks about lyrics from obvious. Obvious is about a girl and a guy. It was based on one of the events that happened in toms life. I wanna see how this girls life had gotten so damn changed. I wanted to punch this chick in the face i wish i was there.

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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by mattattack on Fri Feb 27, 2009, 1:35am

himynameischris wrote:
mattattack wrote:i dont see the reason for any of this debate. we all have different opinions on blink, AVA, favorite sex positions, favorite food, hiking, how to dress, etc... point being, none of this bullshit matters. mark, tom, travis, david, matt, and atom are gonna do whatever they want. so fuck it, go with the flow and quit whining and argueing.


I saw very little "whining," but there was arguing. I saw nothing too bad here, but from what I know the people (some) from blink-182 online aren't very nice people.


actually, i didnt see a lot of whining either haha. idk why i said that. continuing on, i dont understand either side of the arguement. honestly the members of blink and ava are just people. they all make their own choices and mistakes, and have their triumphs and successes. ya you know, dig their messages and music and whatever. but hate on eachother over the internet regarding people youll never personally know? dumb.
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Re: Podcast with Blink182 Online, debating Blink/AVA's future

by 44racerangels182 on Fri Feb 27, 2009, 1:58am

mattattack wrote:honestly, i think AVA will eventually be the side project. once the blink album drops i think its going to convert a lot of AVA fans to blink fans because i think the album is going to be fucking awesome. i could be wrong, but thats my prediction.


I think it will too.
Also the rest of ava are working on a side project anyway.

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