Ok this post is going to be a long one!
Looking at my first post I can see that I didn't go into much detail about why I decided to ban tyler182, so it looks particularly out of the blue. In reality my patience had continually growing thin each week. Everyone here has already agreed tyler was provocative and abrasive, even his defenders and himself admit this (see spoiler 1 below). This is such a welcoming message to new members...
As for the people I've given negative rep to, it's never anything personal, it's because you're posting dumb shit. That's what the rep button is for...reputation. Mine appears to be alright, maybe you should check yourselves. Just because you're not as "abrasive" as I am, doesn't mean you're innocent. I may come off as a dick sometimes, but I've been contributing to this forum for a very long time. New people may not get it right away, but even though I'm not Mr. Cuddles, I still have a place here....I've removed part of tyler's post here for the sake of time...
And for the newbies complaining about me being oh so mean to you all the time and acting like you never do anything wrong and you somehow didn't deserve your negative rep:
My patience was already ultra thin in recent weeks after seeing several users openly express their fear of posting due to his reactions (see spoiler 2 below).
ChrisDCMA wrote:Tyler was the reason I stopped posting for so long. everytime I posted an opinion, I was worried that he would come up, call me a name saying that I was stupid and say some random shit to prove his point like if it wasn't okay to have our own opinions (and yeah all my negative points came from him for really stupid reasons...)
Tyler replied to people who didn't want to post anymore due to his attitude with this:
And the forum improved when you all left, so your welcome
This quote above is just one of a few users who had the balls to be open about how he felt. This and several other quotes made me think how many new members and non registered members thought the same way.
When I came back from a weekend break to see Tyler and Ryan had been going at it, I just had enough of the whole thing. And now that i've banned Tyler, already 3 newly joined members in 24 hours have confessed he was the reason they weren't posting.
StephenCWJ wrote:If you've ever had any problems in your life, you would know that regardless, you're gonna kick up a fuss about everything and anything. He shouldn't have been as rude as he was, but what he really needs is someone to talk to, not people to push him away. Maybe, instead of thinking about the 3-4 people who couldn't take his sarcastic jokes, think about what's going on with Tyler right now.
We cannot excuse Tyler's behavior because he's suffering in his personal life, I should also point out that neither him or anyone else actually stated to me that he had big personal problems. Only now Astronomy has told me a few things I sympathise with his pain, but not with how he channeled this into being aggressive to others. Ultimately i'm going to defend the people tyler is hostile to rather than tyler himself. Many of us here will have big personal issues, for all we know Chris (the guy who stopped posting due to Tyler) is suicidal and I would rather spend my time talking with him because he was making an active effort to be nice to people. Just because Tyler shouts the loudest doesn't mean he's deserves the most sympathy, attention or help.
Now i've spoke to all the other moderators privately and asked them to be straight and honest with me about what they thought about my decision to ban tyler. All of them agreed the ban should remain, apart from Tyler44 and Samir who havent responded. So it's concluded the ban remains for now.
However, I am willing to talk to tyler in the future to see how things are going and perhaps consider giving him a second chance once we all have a bit of perspective (me included). As i've already said, I really do think tyler has a lot of decent qualities which are great to see when he decides to show this side of himself. I just think we were seeing too much of the wrong side, and I would rather let other more positive members take the floor especially during a crucial time collaborating with Angels & Airwaves.
I realise I probably come across all pompous and righteous in these types of posts. I really wish I didn't have to write them, but if I never explained the decision making process then people would hate me even more.
I will address some other smaller comments here that are separate from my main points above.
fricktasticful wrote:Tyler is, and has been, one of the most active contributors on this forum for years, and even if his tenure isn't a reason to keep him from being banned
ALVAYS10791 wrote:you lost a lot of respect from a lot of us "old timers" that have stuck through thick and thin.
The fact tyler was an 'old timer' only shows how little he learnt from the past. It doesn't grant him privilege to be a dick. If anything you expect old timers to set an example to new members.
The moderators who are also 'old timers' agree with the ban along with all the posters in this thread minus 6 people. And as some of you pointed out, you can never get 100% to agree on anything. Whatever happened some 'old timers' would be upset with the state of the forum.
StephenCWJ wrote:You're going to lose more regulars than gain new (valuable, not trolls) members, I can tell you that for sure.
How can you be sure that we wont gain new valuable members?
StephenCWJ wrote:Also, don't bother trying to speak down to me. The fact you own this website means nothing to me.
I have never intended to speak down to you, probably with this heated discussion through typed messages it's easy to perceive my language different from how I meant. I'll never be able to please everyone no matter what I do with this website and I just have to live with that.
-------------------------------Well done to anyone who managed to read this whole post. I owe you a drink.