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Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by Skalor on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 8:44pm

toewsandkane the user on this forum is probably familiar to most of us by now.

I wanted to ask peoples of opinion of him because I'm getting tired of his disrespectful attitude to other members.

Is his behaviour acceptable? Does he have a positive affect on the forum? How many have benefited from the 'education' he gives us?

I asked him what his aim on the forum was, this is his reply:

toewsandkane wrote:My aim?

• To counter the drone-like propaganda repeated by the leftists on here. You may not like what I have to say or how I say it, but I bring a whole new side to every debate that the typical democrat/republican party hacks do not see. I am the antithesis of propaganda in that regard.

• I am aggressive because I have no patience with drones. I get sick of writing the exact same post to every single Lib that comes along where I have to talk to them like I'm talking to a 5th grader and explain how ass-backwards their entire way of thinking is... it is frustrating as hell and wears on you when you have to educate every indoctrinated, leftist communist drone who comes along espousing their hate for America, hate for capitalism, hate for christianity, and hate for all that is good and just, all of which has been deeply ingrained in their minds since early childhood.

• I show passion because I myself used to be a Leftist drone. Unlike most of you, who may not wake up from your slumber until your late 20's or mid 30's (or possibly never), I realized the error of my ways at a young age. It is because of this that I feel the need to educate people and show them how they are being manipulated and used by Communist Leftists, because I was once in their shoes. I want everybody else to wake the hell up too.


What does everyone think?

My opinion is that it's a waste of time trying to insult someone and teach them something at the same time. You don't respect, trust or want to investigate someones politcal opinion when they begin every post with offensive comments towards you, the person he's trying to educate.

If his goal is for a caring, peaceful, efficient, society; that doesn't match his manner. So why should people trust his politics? What is the point?

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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by renkema182 on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 8:51pm

Skalor wrote:My opinion is that it's a waste of time trying to insult someone and teach them something at the same time. You don't respect, trust or want to investigate someones politcal opinion when they begin every post with offensive comments towards you, the person he's trying to educate.

That is right on. On one side, we never asked him to "educate" us. What bothers me is when you ask what his goal is on this forum, he does not even mention Angels and Airwaves. BUT, he does create interesting discussion even though its laughable at time.

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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by Airwaves92 on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 8:53pm

It's all about opinion, I've never had trouble with him but I have seen that he is a little too forward with his ideas, statements and opinions.

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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by Anthony1111 on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 9:14pm

I've debated him on this site countless times, and I have to say, a lot of the time, he pisses me off.

1. This is a fan site forum for a BAND, not America. Half of the people on here aren't from America, and I'm sure they're kind of sick of his unnecessarily abrasive patriotism. I love America, and even I'm getting sick of it.

2. He doesn't EVER consider your side of the argument. I've tried countless times to tell him I'm not a drone, but all it takes is one "communist neo-leninist leftist drone" idea and he will never ever respect your opinion again.

3. I don't think I've ever read a post of his that was longer than three words and didn't include the words "leninist" "Communist" "drone" or "left."

4. He doesn't respect anyone's viewpoints except his own.

5. He's EXTREMELY paranoid. This is probably his worst attribute. He seems to think anything that has to do with the Democrats or even Liberalism is insanity, and that anyone associated with that side of politics or its policies wants a one world government and hates America.

I don't mind that he exists, I just wish he wasn't so damn abrasive ALL THE TIME.

Those are just my feelings. I don't hate the guy, I just really wish he'd take a chill pill and actually see what other people might have to say.

Suit up boys ;)
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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by Astrophysics on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 9:19pm

I dunno man. He's just seems like an angry person. All I see in every single post of his are words like: "leftist, marxist, drones, libs, hate america, communist, propaganda, indoctrine..."

I feel like I've read the same post from him 20 times, because he only bases his arguments on the Right-Left Wing system. He assumes that if someone disagrees with him, it means they are Leftist.

And then he insults them while trying to convince them, which is just poor persuasion skills.
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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by Tyler1942 on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 9:20pm

He was the guy comparing the Obama preaching thing to Hitler right? I think he has a few issues going on with himself but I can't say I've seen him really "troll it up" or anything like that. I mean there's a news/politics section, he can post whatever he wants in there, but I think by looking at the posts above that he doesn't like other peoples opinions and I think it's a little rude to act like your opinion is totally right. It doesn't seem like he's doing anything against the rules though so until he does there shouldn't be an issue with his presence on the forum.
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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by TheWeatherMan on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 9:21pm

I feel like I don't have much of a say as I've only really started talking on here the last few months, however I have been hovering around the boards for the last two to three years reading your guys' posts.

He's part of the reason I started speaking out because of how he grossly overstates the issues, both his facts and his opinions seem to butt-heads with each other and he does not seem to realize the hypocrisy in his own statements, which is what I've been trying to show him, (but that's not getting through).

Personally his opinions are harmless, you know what they say "opinions are like assholes everyone has got one but some might stink more than others." However the way he goes about disrespecting the people of this forum is ridiculous just because someone doesn't agree with him doesn't automatically make them socialist/anti-American, I don't understand his reasoning for this. People can have different opinions on the subject matter and still want to keep America alive. I also feel like he ignores that their are members from other countries on this board. Also I feel like he ignores other countries in general besides America and that he believes if your not American your opinion doesn't matter. What he still hasn't grasped is that we have the underlining factor of humanity, we are all human we shouldn't let silly invisible borders get in the way of this. Just because someone might have a slightly different belief or opinion than you doesn't mean they want to kill are harm you, it just means their different than you.

Oh and returning to the founding fathers claim and reading the constitution is all a bunch of BS from him and the Tea Party. What these people forget is that the Constitution was written by people with opposing views on certain matters there's a reason why their were Federalist and Anti-Federalist before and after the signing of the 1787 Constitution their fight just evolved to Democrats and Republicans. But both sides had FOUNDING FATHERS IN THEM this is why the Tea Party claim is such bullshit when you read what the Founding Fathers wanted, because different Founding Fathers wanted different things you can't just lump them altogether and say they all wanted the same thing, doing so is ignoring history and ignoring FACT something that Toewsandkane still doesn't seem to grasp.

Oh and his random CAPITALIZATION is annoying as well, (^ and I realize that I did this above, was just using some satire).

And now, I'll stop the storm if it rains, I'll light a path far from here, I'll make your fear melt away, and the world we know disappear.


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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by rsgrdnr on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 9:45pm

i tend to have similar views as him though i also tend to lean towards the center in some aspects.
i can see why people are offended by the use of his language towards people, could he improve his reputation here by softening up on language and insults? yes.
however i do understand that he is trying to get a point across that he feels very strongly about, and i have no problem with that.

ps hes a hockey fan which is also a plus in my book.

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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by doofy102 on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 9:46pm

I don't mind his opinions, they're harmless, and if you don't like him then just scroll past his posts.

If he's clearly violating forum rules, then ban him. I'm guessing he's not though, since you're still wondering what to do with him.
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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by yiben125 on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 9:54pm

Every community need's a dick, let him be our's...

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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by HeavenOnPlanetEarth on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 10:03pm

I may change the subject here but what about kbell? All he does on here is nothing but ask for leaks by other bands. He's not really AVA Movement material if that's all he's going to do

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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by Tyler1942 on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 10:10pm

^ That guy's more of a joke though lol.
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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by Brett on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 10:17pm

I think Anthony's post sums it up pretty well. The main problem I have with the guy is the way he treats people on here. I have no problem with him voicing his opinions about the issues that get brought up on here but, as Anthony said, he's so damn abrasive to the point where you can't have a reasonable discussion with him (which is the main reason I barely post in those threads). Anyone who even just slightly disagrees with him gets insulted in some form and I'm growing tired of his attitude.

I've got two pieces of advice for Toewsandkane:
1. Tone it down a bit. You might find that you'll get your points across a lot better as people might actually listen to what you're saying and consider your views.
2. Accept that not everyone is going to agree with you, no matter how hard you try to force them to.
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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by espinozac on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 10:44pm

i always felt like if you post something that has NOTHING to do with politics, he makes the discussion into that subject. hahah
but his posts and replies are always so... forceful. he always tries to force his opinions down everyone's throats. that's the main reason why when i see that he has posted a thread, or a reply on someone's thread, i ignore what he says.
renkema182 wrote:What bothers me is when you ask what his goal is on this forum, he does not even mention Angels and Airwaves

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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by Forbes on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 10:52pm

I only dislike trolls. I don't really mind people who get into debates, even if they do sometimes get a bit disrespectful. It's their passion on the subject that usually causes it, and if you can't take a bit of shit/disrespect from someone over a forum, how are you supposed to do it in real life?


Therefore I don't really have an opinion on him.

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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by bsg1206 on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 11:20pm

I think it's really immature and unprofessional for someone who runs an online community, especially one that attracts so much attention from Angels & Airwaves fans, to call out a user and publicly put him on the spot and embarrass him.

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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by Spaceman on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 11:31pm

That Spaceman kid needs a spanking too.

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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by HeavenOnPlanetEarth on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 11:35pm

Spaceman wrote:That Spaceman kid needs a spanking too.


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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by Tyler44 on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 11:38pm

I admire his passion he puts into his posts. I for one don't really get involved in those debates, so I'm not familiar with his education or main points he puts into his posts. If he's insulting and negative, that is one thing that he could maybe change, but it's the internet, so anything he says should never be taken personally.

I for one things he brings some characterization to this forum, so that can always add to be something good. Every forum needs characters, and in my opinion, he adds to that with his passionate debating.
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Re: Question everyone: toewsandkane, opinion?

by Anthony1111 on Fri Apr 22, 2011, 11:45pm

bsg1206 wrote:I think it's really immature and unprofessional for someone who runs an online community, especially one that attracts so much attention from Angels & Airwaves fans, to call out a user and publicly put him on the spot and embarrass him.


I think it's really immature and unprofessional for someone that is a member of an online community, especially one that attracts so much attention from Angels & Airwaves fans, to call out the person that runs it and publicly put him on the spot and embarrass him.

Suit up boys ;)
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